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Post by celtics543 on Feb 22, 2016 20:35:51 GMT -5
Ten years ago I could have seen this but is Shane really going to take some huge bump as a 46 year old father of three? His match with Vince at WM 17 was good because he took some huge chances but that was 15 years ago when he was in his early 30's.
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Post by celtics543 on Feb 22, 2016 20:31:32 GMT -5
Wait, what just happened? Shane vs Undertaker in hell in a cell at Wrestlemania? Shane is 46 and not an actual wrestler, Undertaker is 50 and wrestles once a year, how is this going to be successful at all?
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Post by celtics543 on Feb 18, 2016 8:41:06 GMT -5
There's one feud, perhaps his most famous feud, and they never got a Wrestlemania match. He's not on the roster but somehow he'll get cleared even though he had more concussions in one night than Bryan's had in his whole career. {Spoiler}{Spoiler}
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Post by celtics543 on Feb 17, 2016 18:32:03 GMT -5
Kind of, I'm 5'10" and about 180lbs in pretty good shape but at 27 I'm a little old to get into it at this point. There's also the very good point that I currently have a pretty sweet job as a high school science teacher and 3 sport coach that just really doesn't have enough time to be bouncing around a ring. I did go to a couple one day camps at the Kowalski school in Mass when I was younger and it was fun but I rung my bell pretty good taking a back bump and decided that I just didn't need the potential for that kind of pain in my life.
On the other hand, I do still think about it sometimes and think about how much fun it could be. The injuries really put me off it though, especially being small and understanding that I'd just be bumping around for every untalented big guy I came into contact with.
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Post by celtics543 on Feb 12, 2016 8:51:14 GMT -5
It's crazy that he's going to fight at 170 and it's not like he was overweight during his time in the WWE. I'd guess if he's 170 now then he couldn't have been more than 200 during most of his WWE tenure.
As a side note, I saw the sportscenter with Daniel Bryan and Coach the other day and they sort of playfully alluded to the fact that while the WWE listed him as 215, Daniel was really only about 5'8" and 180lbs at his max.
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Post by celtics543 on Feb 9, 2016 17:24:28 GMT -5
I still think it would be fun to have a champion that IS the chosen one by the authority but hates that he's the chosen one. Ideally it would be Cena and the authority would keep helping him win and setting up the odds in his favor, infuriating Cena because he'd be presented as a heel who doesn't want to be a heel. He could slowly start to accept it and then become a full blown heel eventually or he'd get over huge as a babyface and finally break away when the authority found a new chosen one.
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Post by celtics543 on Feb 3, 2016 6:52:45 GMT -5
A huge waste of talent. Not only did he have the personal demons that hurt him every step of the way but he also couldn't figure out how to change with the times. It was like 1996 and he was still dressing like he was in the Rockers, a team that was topical and dressed cool in the 80's. At some point he HAD to change his look to something else, he couldn't just cling to the Rocker gimmick forever. And even if he did want to stay as a Rocker, he at least had to change up what he was wearing. It would've been pretty cool actually if he had started dressing in that grunge look during the early 90's and done a character based around that, in the Kurt Cobain mold.
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Post by celtics543 on Feb 2, 2016 9:44:29 GMT -5
Maybe stretch it out to Wrestlemania 7 if you really want to put Warrior over. Have the rematch at Summerslam and then the rubber match at Wrestlemania, putting Warrior completely over as the man.
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Post by celtics543 on Feb 1, 2016 6:40:23 GMT -5
He should make his huge return at MSG after weeks of hype videos. They hit his music and he comes out with a denim vest on over a leather jacket and gets the pop of a lifetime that he'll be able to live off for the next twenty years....I mean wouldn't that officially make him the new HHH? He uses the pedigree, held the world title for months, and has the backing of the actual HHH.
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Post by celtics543 on Jan 29, 2016 6:47:49 GMT -5
The only problem would be if other fans started jumping in, because while beating up a plant is fine it's not fine to start a complete riot in the stands. A place like Chicago or Philly would definitely not be the right place. Maybe Miami or somewhere that the fans are a little more laid back would work.
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Post by celtics543 on Jan 28, 2016 8:49:46 GMT -5
I understand the disappointment from Punk on not being in the main event or Wrestlemania, and I think that's fair for him but he did get a REALLY LONG title reign and was put over just about everyone else. He got clean wins over Cena, which nobody else got. He never once had a clean win over Cena MITB 2011 was as clean as a win gets against Cena. Whether completely clean or not he was clearly presented as being on the same level as Cena and his greatest rival.
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Post by celtics543 on Jan 28, 2016 8:35:42 GMT -5
I understand the disappointment from Punk on not being in the main event or Wrestlemania, and I think that's fair for him but he did get a REALLY LONG title reign and was put over just about everyone else. He got clean wins over Cena, which nobody else got.
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Post by celtics543 on Jan 28, 2016 8:30:57 GMT -5
Cena was crazy over leading up to his title win, and remained over until he started to wrestle Kurt Angle, Christian, and Jericho. Those guys were more over with the adult males in the audience and it's almost like he never won those guys back over after those feuds.
Christian was the original Daniel Bryan, he had a cult following and people wanted to see him win the title, when he got shafted and subsequently went to TNA, the Cena hate really kicked in. In this alternate universe I think Cena might take the Christian role and be held down by HHH, Batista, and Orton.
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Post by celtics543 on Jan 28, 2016 7:19:04 GMT -5
So here are the facts:
WWE won't let Bryan wrestle but have offered him several other roles in the company. Bryan has refused all other roles and only wants to wrestle. WWE won't release Bryan, either because they want to protect him from himself or because they don't want him going somewhere else and bringing his huge following with him.
Neither side is blameless. WWE already employed Benoit and Dynamite Kid who both wrestled in the same style as Bryan and both ended up broken at the end. Of course they're going to be more cautious, and even if that's just because they don't want that blood on their hands I don't blame them. If something God forbid did happen to Bryan then the CNN headline is going to say "Former WWE Champion..." not "Current Independent Wrestling Star..."
From Bryan's side I understand that he's frustrated and wants to wrestle. Everyone believes that serious injury will never happen to them. I'm sure Chris Benoit never sat at home with an injury and though, "maybe I shouldn't come back because I'll get a traumatic brain problem and murder my family." I'm sure Dynamite never thought he'd end up where he is now when he was the tag champ in front of 93,000 people at WM3.
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Post by celtics543 on Jan 27, 2016 6:49:09 GMT -5
Nope. You don't build 5 months of story with Reigns/Triple H just to not give it the right conclusion it should have. And Reigns getting booed at Mania was going to happen even if he became the most over guy on the roster. The people who fly into Manias and such every year will be the same people and they always hate guys like Reigns. That's why Cena can't get a good reaction going into Mania either in spite of what he's done in recent years. To be fair they built 8 months of story with Daniel Bryan between Summerslam and Wrestlemania 30 and still tried to give the main event to Orton and Batista. It took a damn revolution to get Bryan in that match.
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Post by celtics543 on Jan 26, 2016 8:19:00 GMT -5
As an add on, and I know it's impossible now, but I wish they could try to Kayfabe just a little bit. I don't need separate locker rooms or heels only traveling with heels but could they at least pretend on social media and DURING the show? Case in point, HHH is the evil WWE champion who heads the Authority but on Wednesday he's the great guy that brought us NXT and is best buddies with all the good guys down there. On Monday Stephanie McMahon is the heel authority boss but on Twitter Tuesday she's the nicest person in the world. Jericho has a heated match with AJ Styles and then hours later is praising him online saying how much fun it was.
I commend guys like Undertaker who can keep the character going, it just adds so much. Even Jericho in 2008 when he went heel was fantastic because he kept up the character during the show. It just seems now that it's so hard to be a heel because guys are on social media and in general are good people, which shows through. I think Kevin Owens right now does a great job keeping his heel persona and comes off as believable all the time.
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Post by celtics543 on Jan 26, 2016 8:09:34 GMT -5
I've done a lot of reading on this board and we complain about things a lot. I've also realized that I rarely watch an entire Raw and really only keep up with WWE through the network and on here. Raw used to be must-see tv for me on Monday nights. I would guess that from 1997, when I was nine years old, until 2009 I could count the number of Raws I missed on one hand. Even when I would go away on vacation I would always have a relative tape the show for me so I could watch it when I got back. In the early days when I was too young to stay up that late I would simply tape the show and watch it after school the next day, then use the same tape and do it again the next week. I watched a LOT of Raws like that in the late 90's.
I say all that because the same guys I was watching on tape back when I was in elementary school are the same guys that are still getting main event spots right now. HHH is the world champion in 2016. I understand the storyline, I understand the reason he has the title, but just look at that sentence and tell me things are going well. The guy is 46 years old and only wrestles a few times a year, and he's the world champ. Not only is he the world champ but he just won the Royal Rumble and effectively got put over all the other young main event level guys.
Along with HHH, I'm also still watching Kane, Big Show, Jericho, the Dudley Boys, Michael Cole, Jerry Lawler, Bradshaw, and Mark Henry each and every week. I have nothing against those guys as performers, they all have had their moments but they've also all been around since the 90's and don't add anything to the product anymore. I miss the Attitude Era and the edginess and, excuse the pun, Rawness of the 90's as much as anyone but they have to move on. Bringing in part timers like Jericho, HHH, RVD, Rock, Undertaker, and the rest isn't helping anyone. Jericho and RVD put everyone over so those wins don't mean anything anymore, and the other guys rarely put anyone over that isn't already over. I leave out Brock because he's more of a regular than any of those guys.
The part-timer craze didn't really become a thing until WCW went out of business. Before that both companies had to put out the best shows they could and the WWF was forced to push new talent. But it got me thinking, if WCW didn't exist, how long would Vince have kept bringing Hogan back to go over everyone else? Without WCW would I STILL be watching Bret Hart, Hogan, Diesel, and the guys? Would Steve Austin, Rock, Mankind, or even HHH have ever gotten a push to the top? Without WCW and that competition the part-timer thing would have started a long time ago and may have driven WWE out of business. Today, with only one major company and nowhere else for a guy to go, it makes it boring. If there was another place, like TNA tried to be when they restarted the Monday Night Wars, then a guy like RVD or Jericho debuting there would be much bigger because it would be fresh. Right now, part timers bring NOTHING to a show. Even a guy like Rock is just coming in for a short time between the Royal Rumble and Wrestlemania to bury most of the guys at the top, not on purpose but he's the Rock and that's his schtick. No one on the current roster can match promos with the guy.
The part timer stuff should have stopped a long time ago, the WWE already lost a generation of potential stars like Carlito, Masters, Benjamin, etc. because they refused to put those guys over the established top guys. Now they have a HUGE roster with so much talent but if they keep bringing back HHH, Rock, Undertaker etc then that group will never get as over as they should and it will all be for naught. Instead of using Rock to put over a guy like CM Punk a couple years ago, they used him to put over Cena, the only guy on the roster that doesn't need it. It's not the 70's and 80's anymore, a competitive loss doesn't put a guy over anymore. Screwing a guy over doesn't really put them over either.
If the part timer revolution doesn't stop then the DVD will say the same thing about the WWE that they used to say about WCW. "In that entire lucrative run only one guy ever got a break, and it was Roman Reigns" Despite the fact that the fans demanded Daniel Bryan, then demanded Dean Ambrose, and popped huge for tons of other guys, Roman Reigns is the only one who they've really gotten behind. And I'd argue that he's been jerked around as much as anyone. I don't dislike Reigns, but they've booked him terribly. He had his moment at Survivor Series, just let him run with it. He's now had two title reigns that have lasted about two weeks total. While at the same time they completely undercut Sheamus.
I love pro wrestling. It's why I follow on the board and it's why I use the Network. I loved the 90's and every wrestler who competed at that time. I am a huge fan of Jericho, Rock, Kane, Big Show, Undertaker, HHH etc. but there time is over and they need to put over a new generation, just like the generation before them did. Every year it looks like they're phasing out the Attitude Era stars and every year they keep bringing them back to big roles. It's either going to stop or they're going to go until those guys can't wrestle anymore and there's no one to take their spots. Talent wise they have a great roster and plenty of guys that can take those spots, but it's about believability and right now they don't have anyone that is on those guys level in the fans eyes.
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Post by celtics543 on Jan 25, 2016 20:54:51 GMT -5
Jericho is 5'10" and TOWERS over AJ, his height could end up being a serious roadblock.
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Post by celtics543 on Jan 22, 2016 10:34:04 GMT -5
Most underrated tag team of all time. They were super over with the crowd, could both work an entertaining match, and Scotty at least was around for quite a while holding multiple championships. I think they should go in as a team or you could argue that only Scotty should go in based on his time in the light heavyweight division, Too Cool, tag team with Rikishi, and solo career.
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Post by celtics543 on Jan 20, 2016 12:35:07 GMT -5
LEAVE HULK ALONE!! HE'S A GOOD MAN! HE'S CHANGED HIS WAYS DAMN IT!! HE'S FORGIVEN HIMSELF! CAN'T YOU LET IT GO TOO? ONLY LOVE BROTHER HH!!
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