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Post by celtics543 on Mar 10, 2016 6:50:57 GMT -5
Can we just pretend that Wrestlemania 3 had 193,000 people instead so that Hulk and Andre can still hold the distinction of the highest drawing main event in WWE history?
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Post by celtics543 on Mar 10, 2016 6:50:01 GMT -5
Mark Henry became a credible wrecking machine of a World Champion after 15 years of doing endless shit gimmicks and being perceived as nothing special by the audience. Cody is so talented, and also young. He can still break out. This is the answer. If you had told me back when Mark Henry was sleeping with Mae Young, fathering a hand, and hooking up with a tranny that he was going to be a dominant world champion 12 years later I would've laughed in your face. If that guy can turn things around so can Cody. Not to mention, Justin Hawk Bradshaw/APA Bradshaw had a YEAR LONG RUN with the world title. I'm actually a huge fan of Cody. Stardust isn't a character that's going to get him to the top but the guy is super talented, can draw heat, and has the right bloodlines. He's still only 30 years old and can already be called a veteran because he started so young. I don't think the company has any plans to release him and I'd assume his job is as safe as any right now because he's so versatile and so trustworthy. I still think the guy is going to be a main event star and possibly a HUGE star depending on how hard they decide to push him. He's really got everything they look for, he can wrestle, he can talk, he's got a good look, he carries himself well, he's a legacy kid (no pun intended), and he loves the business. I'd take a Cody Rhodes push right now over Reigns or anyone else the company is thinking about getting behind.
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Post by celtics543 on Mar 9, 2016 7:06:11 GMT -5
I think Carlito would be a pretty solid addition to the mid card and I know it's unlikely, but a motivated Carlito always had main event potential. He's really a more charismatic Del Rio, a guy that could appeal to the hispanic audiences and be that star they're looking for.
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Post by celtics543 on Mar 9, 2016 7:04:42 GMT -5
WWE's Hall of Fame is part company Hall of Fame, part international and historical wrestling industry Hall of Fame. Jacqueline did not really have a Hall of Fame career. But I have no problems with her going in. That's what I like about WWE's Hall of Fame! Just like I liked it when they inducted Rikishi or Koko B. Ware or Nikolai Volkoff. It's nice to see performers from the past get recognized, regardless of whether or not they were major stars or historically important. I strongly suspected Jacqueline would be inducted (check out my predictions early in the thread, before the names started getting leaked). They can try to frame her as being a ground-breaking figure as she was the first African American to win the Women's Championship, which was pretty much incidental. I completely agree with what you're saying here. In real sports only guys who are the very top of their sport go in each year. The problem with that comparison is that in a sport like baseball there are 30 teams, and about 40 players per team after the rosters expand, which means 1200 players in the league. Of those 1200, maybe a handful of guys get in the hall of fame every year. With pro wrestling, you're only talking about 40-50 people on the roster at any given point in time and those guys mostly stay the same for years at a time. One baseball roster pretty much is equivalent to the entire WWE roster in terms of numbers. If you shrunk down the entirety of MLB and put only the best guys on one team, then most of those guys would one day end up being hall of famers. The difference between real sports and pro wrestling is that just making it to the WWE is already putting you in the hall of fame talks because it means that you are, in some peoples eyes, already one of the top 40-50 wresters in the world. So having a person like Koko, Godfather, Jackie, or any other lower card person get in really isn't that big of a deal. They were all memorable characters in the biggest wrestling company in the world, that's definitely hall of fame worthy when you compare them to 99.9% of everyone who will ever put on a pair of tights or lace up a pair of boots.
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Post by celtics543 on Mar 4, 2016 21:31:22 GMT -5
Wrestlemania 42 fatal fourway for the WWE World Title....a Levesque in every corner!
The name on the contract does say Levesque....Aurora McMahon Levesque!
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Post by celtics543 on Mar 4, 2016 19:35:55 GMT -5
I think he'd have to be a face, I just don't see him being off for 3 years and getting booed on his comeback. If he came back in 2001, and was sober/reborn/healthy, then the storyline could have been that he was coming back to help Team WWF against the Alliance. The problem with 2001 wasn't that Shawn Michaels wasn't there, it was that Vince didn't shell out the money for the nWo, Goldberg, Flair, Sting, Steiner or any other big WCW star.
Imagine a Survivor Series match in 2001 of Hogan/Hall/Nash/Goldberg/Sting managed by Flair/Bischoff vs Austin/Rock/Undertaker/Michaels/Angle managed by Vince. That would have been incredible and completely changed how the invasion was looked on. You'd still have DDP, Booker T, Steiner, Angle, Kane, Big Show, Edge, Christian, RVD, Dudleys, Hardys, Dreamer, and everyone else to fill out the undercard. It could've been the greatest ppv in the history of professional wrestling.
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Post by celtics543 on Mar 4, 2016 18:52:26 GMT -5
I love Summerslam 1992, and would say it's at least equal to if not better than Wrestlemania 8. I know WM8 was pretty solid but Summerslam 1992 has Bret/Bulldog and a really solid undercard plus the spectacle of being at Wembley in front of a huge crowd and outside.
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Post by celtics543 on Mar 4, 2016 10:49:15 GMT -5
Daniel Bryan is sad that "The Ryback" isn't an option here.
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Post by celtics543 on Mar 4, 2016 10:47:00 GMT -5
If they turn Reigns heel, preferably as a new corporate champion I think Rollins return writes itself. He can come back, claim that Reigns sold out and did exactly what Rollins did to get ahead. Everyone wanted to cheer Seth anyway so having him come back as the conquering hero babyface would be a natural against cocky, heel Roman Reigns.
As for Cena, I think he comes back and feuds with someone out of the title picture. Maybe AJ, maybe Undertaker if he's going to stick round a little bit, maybe a new NXT call up.
Caesaro will be lucky if it's even acknowledged that he's been out, but hopefully he can get put right into the upper mid card, main event picture and have great matches with those guys. He's really the one guy who I think has that organic, Daniel Bryan-esque, feel to him and could be a huge star if things play out correctly. The crowds love the guy.
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Post by celtics543 on Mar 2, 2016 19:35:18 GMT -5
I'm telling you. If they do a new blood type angle instead of an ill-advised "basically two guys who should be retired" match, it would be at least somewhat more interesting if not just as nonsensical. This is actually the best idea I've heard for this match because so far it makes no sense. Even if someone takes Shane's spot they would have to be the face because they'd be eliminating the authority and the Undertaker would still have to be the heel. They really think Taker is getting booed in his home state at Wrestlemania? The new blood thing I actually kind of dig though. Vince/Taker representing the old guard and Shane/Mystery Person X representing the new blood. Not sure who would be with Shane but it can't be Cena if it's supposed to be new blood.
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Post by celtics543 on Feb 29, 2016 6:31:46 GMT -5
If done right I think it could work. Let's say that they decide to induct Kurt into the Hall of Fame and to build up to it Kurt makes an appearance on Raw to accept the induction and give his retirement speech. At the end of that speech he could say that he's been scouring the world looking for a wrestler who could live up to his level of excellence, that truly personified the three I's, and that he found a tag team that does just that. Enter American Alpha.
From that point he's not seen with them again except maybe a few times a year just as a mentor of sorts for them but definitely not an every day manager or anything. And certainly not as a a wrestler.
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Post by celtics543 on Feb 28, 2016 17:22:09 GMT -5
I've been watching some early Wrestlemanias and at the end of Wrestemania 3 Jesse Ventura says something to the effect of, "maybe I'll have to come back and take the belt myself."
Now clearly he never came back but it always seemed like there was a rivalry between him and Hogan and they probably could have sold out arenas nationwide or even main evented Wrestlemania 4 instead of the tournament that they had. I know he had blood clot issues with his lungs but I'm not looking for him to wrestle full time, just come back for a one-off angle where he challenges Hulk. It was the 80's where they could do pose downs and things to build up the angle and not have it get crapped all over. Realistically the main event matches back then, even Wrestlemania, didn't go very long because Hogan couldn't go very long. It just seems like for a minimal amount of work they could have had a pretty great angle and a terrible technical match that would have gotten over huge just based on the two personalities.
Just curious if he was ever asked about it and if it was ever and option?
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Post by celtics543 on Feb 28, 2016 14:44:39 GMT -5
I'm not a billionaire, I haven't built a wrestling empire, and I certainly have never booked a show for 100,000 people but if the guy you're pushing as your top face is being booed by 90% of the audience....then he might be your top heel.
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Post by celtics543 on Feb 26, 2016 8:45:35 GMT -5
Wasn't Jack Brisco a pretty solid amateur wrestler. I assume both Brisco brothers were pretty legit tough guys.
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Post by celtics543 on Feb 26, 2016 8:32:15 GMT -5
The difference is that Cena wasn't booed right from the start. Cena was CRAZY over when he won his first world title and continued to be really over until his reign just kept dragging on. And even then a lot of it was more that adult men liked booing him but were still somewhat entertained. Reigns is getting boos from almost everyone and didn't have the honeymoon period at the beginning like Cena did.
Pretty much, people liked Cena at the beginning of his push. Reigns is hated and his has only just begun.
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Post by celtics543 on Feb 25, 2016 6:48:03 GMT -5
Do you think HHH has a massive ego, and the true desire to go over stars who are better wrestlers? Wrestlers such as CM Punk, Sting, etc? Or is it all a work? HHH has never been the big the big star that guys like Austin, Rock, Hogan, Sting, and CM Punk. How big of a star do you think HHH would have been ( or not a star at all ) if he did not charm Stephanie so he could become a made man? I think mid-card at best. He would have been the attitude era equivalent of modern day Roman Reigns imo. So, let's talk about this and get to the core of what drives HHH. Well I was going to agree with your point that HHH was overrated and, while he still would have had some of the success he had, wouldn't be a 14 time world champion or holding the title at the moment but hold on. Are you really putting CM Punk in the same group with Austin, Rock, Hogan, and Sting? I like Punk, he was a great but he's not even lacing up those guys boots in any way other than just from a technical wrestling perspective. Not only is he not in their tier but also not in the tier below them or maybe even the one below that. He's an upper mid card guy that got a push because of the existence of two world titles, proved that he deserved to have it, and had a nice run but he wasn't even the biggest star of his era. Austin is the undisputed biggest star in WWF/E history, from Vince's mouth. Rock is the biggest crossover star in wrestling history. Hogan is the first person people think of when they think of wrestling. Sting carried WCW for it's entire existence and was the one constant during the entire run. CM Punk had a nice run with the WWE title during a down period in pro wrestling where no one really watched much. At best he's in the Bret Hart/Shawn Michaels category but even then I think that's a stretch. As far as the topic goes, I think HHH has an ego but so does every other successful wrestler that has ever existed. I still think he would have been a star even without Stephanie, probably on the same star level as a Kurt Angle or Jericho or RVD, which isn't a bad spot to be in, it's just not a 14 time world champion and legendary ass kicker.
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Post by celtics543 on Feb 25, 2016 6:39:38 GMT -5
You can always tell whether Flair is on good terms with the WWE or not, in how he talks about any other company. Just wait until he finally makes it to Disney and starts trashing the WWE. And now I have a hilarious image in my head of Ric Flair cutting a promo on the actual space mountain as he does the woos, drops elbows on his jacket, and chops Mickey Mouse.
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Post by celtics543 on Feb 23, 2016 8:16:49 GMT -5
The part of this angle that makes no sense and still won't make sense even if Shane names a replacement is that the Undertaker is going to fight FOR the authority. He's been above the entire angle for its entire run and now he's going to be a part of it? The guy who might be the biggest babyface on the roster is going to fight so the authority can stay in power? Is Shane McMahon really going to be put over the Undertaker at Wrestlemania? Is there ANY chance Taker gets booed in Texas in front of 100,000 people?
This match makes zero sense. If they had picked Sheamus or Rusev or someone like that then I could understand it because they are all authority henchmen and would want them to remain in power but Undertaker makes zero sense. People keep saying that Shane could have a good match with him but let's remember, Shane ISN'T a wrestler and his "matches" are really just him falling off high things or getting thrown through things. He could do that at 30 years old and rebound to be ok but it's been a while and he's a 46 year old father of three who runs a business empire over in China now. I understand Vince was having big matches like this at that age but Vince is also certifiably insane and works himself as hard as possible every day. Shane doesn't look like he's followed in his dad's footsteps as far as incredible workout regimen and juicing to the gills is concerned.
Overall this match makes zero sense for Undertaker and will probably be a disaster from just about every standpoint. I love that Shane came back and I loved 99% of the angle they built about how the WWE was really his birthright and that he was still in line in front of Stephanie to inherit it. I've wanted that angle every since the Authority stuff began but the last 2 minutes of that promo where Vince told him he was wrestling the Undertaker at Wrestlemania is where everything went straight off the rails.
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Post by celtics543 on Feb 23, 2016 6:56:56 GMT -5
Triple H also didn't pick Cena, it was Stephanie that picked Cena and got behind him. Oh, right. Good call. Vince hasn't picked the right guy since Hogan. And even THAT had quite a bit to do with the guys he wanted being unavailable. Who did Vince want that was unavailable? I mean at the time it seemed like every big star was signed to the WWF when they went national. Like I literally can't think of a guy that was a huge star other than Flair and maybe Dusty that wasn't with the WWF or eminently available to the WWF back in 1984. I think Hogan was the top choice without a doubt and I had always heard that the backups were Kerry Von Erich and Jimmy Snuka if Hogan wouldn't leave Minneapolis. For the question at hand though, Reigns is dead in the water because he's just not that great. He would be a great mid card guy who came in and destroyed people in matches for the IC or US title but the unstoppable monster character doesn't work as a main event guy. Even Goldberg was only on top for a very short period because that character just doesn't work as a babyface. They can't generate sympathy because they're a world class killer in the ring most of the time. It would be like Brock trying to get sympathy from the crowd, it just isn't going to happen. Either let the guy be himself or he's going to keep failing. In this day and age fans see right through guys that are "fake" and Reigns is "fake", it would have been the same with many guys in the past but kayfabe was still somewhat strong and the WWF could push guys and expect the crowd to react exactly as they wanted them to. For a company that always trumpets listening to the fans and how they knew to change the Rock's character because they listened to the people, they certainly don't like to listen to the people anymore. The ENTIRE attitude era was based on listening to the people and deciding what they want, and pushing guys who were for the most part seasoned enough to work a crowd effectively. And now they've completely gone the other way and it's tanking hard.
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Post by celtics543 on Feb 22, 2016 21:28:01 GMT -5
I hate the term "knocked off" I've heard it other places now... but it's terrible... say BEAT... I'm not sure saying Beat Off works better...
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