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Post by Cronant on Aug 27, 2018 22:25:55 GMT -5
Roman is already over. He's been over Roman's "over" is the modern version of a Conway Pop or X-Pac Heat. Is this the part where we make up terms because Roman isn't what you think a top guy should be? The highest merch seller in the company is not "X-Pac Heat." Theres a severe level of delusion concerning Roman here.
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Post by Cronant on Aug 27, 2018 22:22:33 GMT -5
Roman is already over. He's been over Not really no. His reactions vary, he has fans but it's apparent he isn't a top guy and hasn't been for years. He can be a fine competitor and on the mic, issue is, what they feed him is garbage, his matches are all the same, and he's literally won EVERYTHING, so there is nothing more for him to do, and he's developed absolutely zero off of that. He's not really over, he's a failed project Vince won't admit has failed, and other talents have suffered because of it and will continue to. Its the opposite. He is the top guy, and has clearly been for years now. You are making up things that aren't there because you don't like him. He is very obviously over and that shows week to week.
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Post by Cronant on Aug 27, 2018 22:19:18 GMT -5
Roman is already over. He's been over
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Post by Cronant on Aug 27, 2018 22:17:48 GMT -5
He's using them until HIAC when he'll squad Drew and Dolph.
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Post by Cronant on Aug 27, 2018 22:15:42 GMT -5
Falling for Owens bait.
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Post by Cronant on Aug 20, 2018 15:53:18 GMT -5
Summerslam and the Rumble will be stadium shows next year. Survivor Series is the odd man out.
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Post by Cronant on Aug 19, 2018 12:29:47 GMT -5
NXT works the way it does BECAUSE they get rid of people and send them to the main roster when they get big and cycle them out. Its a much less smaller scale, everyone gets to complete their stories in 2 years or so, and they start over again. Everyone you liked in NXT like Sasha and Bayley would be booked terrible if they were still there, because they'd be making room for the current crop and putting them over. The NXT/Main Roster is gigantic case of apples and oranges and people STILL don't see it because they overreact after every Takeover. Yes it is apples and oranges, and I agree that the roster is almost too stacked now(and will only get more stacked) and people will have to cycle in and out. No one, no matter how deserving should be on every show all year round. The problem is that not every deserving NXT orange will be given the opportunity to be the shiniest red apple they can be in WWE. Not everyone is cycled out. Talent is pigeonholed for their main roster runs. Neville deserved a legit main roster run after his tremendous Cruiserweight reign, but Vince will now only know him as a 205Live guy and would laugh at the suggestion of him going against Roman Reigns. That's a travesty. I'm saying that I'm fine with NXT staying it's own thing and having talent that stays there longer term until WWE has an opening for them that will actually let them shine. But it will eventually bite the man roster bookers in the ass. Put an NXT supercard before Wrestlemania, where alumni, NXT UK, 205Live and MYC participants are represented, and I'm confident that you will have a card that will rival the main roster show in terms of excitement, entertainment, viral status, and yes even attendance. I bet you could even have someone sympathetic to what NXT is doing like Bryan headline that show against Nakamura (for main roster name value) with an undercard that featured the best talent under the NXT umbrella, and it would sell out any arena in America. This Takeover card was largely filled with people who weren't even around for last years Brooklyn card. The entire reason why they all come off better is because its short term. They get their stories, get to be booked as the center of attention, and then written off with the next talent comes in so THEY can be that center. When you decide to switch up the formula, you get exactly what happens on the main roster. Having only 5 shows to build for, only 5-6 matches at those shows, only an hour of TV, all of that plays into what makes NXT. Having people 'hang around' in NXT will only lead to them jobbing for the guys that are going to be pushed down the road.
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Post by Cronant on Aug 19, 2018 10:03:40 GMT -5
NXT works the way it does BECAUSE they get rid of people and send them to the main roster when they get big and cycle them out. Its a much less smaller scale, everyone gets to complete their stories in 2 years or so, and they start over again. Everyone you liked in NXT like Sasha and Bayley would be booked terrible if they were still there, because they'd be making room for the current crop and putting them over.
The NXT/Main Roster is gigantic case of apples and oranges and people STILL don't see it because they overreact after every Takeover.
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Post by Cronant on Aug 18, 2018 22:35:38 GMT -5
Guys, if you're mad about Bliss getting the match against Trish, look at it this way, it in all likelihood means that Bliss is dropping the title to Ronda. Because if Bliss was winning, they'd be saving Ronda killing her for Evolution, and that's obviously not happening. You also need Trish to face a heel, so she can be the returning hero. So, that opens up Ronda vs Sasha for the Women's Title, setting the stage for possibly a 4HW vs 4HW match at Survivor Series. They seem to be going full on with the tag stuff for Sasha/Bayley for at least a few months. Nattie, Nia, and maybe even Ember are probably closer to title shots at this rate.
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Post by Cronant on Aug 16, 2018 11:39:33 GMT -5
Yeah, these places that got new stadiums host all sorts of stuff. Super Bowls and Wrestlemania usually hit the same spots.
LA and Atlanta with their new stadiums will be thrown out there too for the future.
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Post by Cronant on Aug 15, 2018 19:11:41 GMT -5
It is probably just WWE trying to take the overness and heat of a popular small guy(or team in this case)and give it to their chosen guy. Its 90% online segments though, and somewhat based on reality. Some of you are weird when it comes to Roman.
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Post by Cronant on Aug 14, 2018 13:40:43 GMT -5
Decent chance no womens title changes until Evolution. NXT included. Don't see AJ losing either, he could go to the Rumble with the heels on Smackdown.
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Post by Cronant on Aug 12, 2018 19:07:37 GMT -5
It's more the fact that it means there HAS to be a Hell In a Cell/TLC match no matter what the storyline is. Like HIAC is meant to be a culmination of a brutal feud that can only be resolved by locking them in the cage but now the stipulations are dictated by whichever month of the year it happens to be rather than whatever the wrestlers have been doing. True dat. The last time I can remember a Hell in a Cell actually being used as a feud ender was Taker/Edge at Summerslam 2008...every one since has been "Well, it's that time of the year again...guess we should make this month long feud a Hell in a Cell Match". Its not "meant" to be anything. HIAC was just some crap HHH and Taker would pull yearly for one of their fueds. EVERY HIAC match before they made it a PPV either had HHH or Taker. The best thing HIAC ever did was let other wrestlers get in on being in that match. Jan=Royal Rumble Feb=No Way Out Mar=WrestleMania Apr=Backlash May=Judgment Day June=King of the Ring July=Fully Loaded Aug=SummerSlam Sept=Unforgiven Oct=No Mercy Nov=Survivor Series Dec=Armageddon All of these work for gimmick ppvs too. But no, they have to spoon feed idiots who can't tell when a gimmick match will happen. No Way Out can mean cages, cells, or chambers. Backlash is WrestleMania rematches. No Mercy can be extreme rules or TLC. So can Armageddon. This isn't hard. But again, let's be lazy in every department. Again, how is just going back to old PPV names any less lazier? Its a matter of branding, not laziness. They recognized that those match types drew more than regular PPV names and that they could build a PPV theme on said gimmick. I am not seeing any real argument against this other than nostalgia for old PPVs. Its not like Great Balls of Fire/Capital Punishment/Over the Limit/Payback/Battleground didn't also happen in this time period.
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Post by Cronant on Aug 12, 2018 11:14:55 GMT -5
They didn't know what they wanted to do with the Brand Split and its titles and it took over a year to get the right combo. Keep in mind they consolidated all the WCW titles in 2001 at the end, then went with one world title for both brands, then 2 world titles and no midcard titles, then 2 world titles and 2 midcard titles.
Basically everything from late 2001-introducing the US title again in 2003 was just them trying to find the right balance to deal with their expanded rosters. They obviously had a much clearer idea when they brought the split back due to experience.
EDIT: They brought the midcard titles back when they decided to split the PPVs. They figured it wasn't as important if every card had 2 world title matches, 2 tag titles matches, with the occasional women and cruiser titles to. Split PPVs made them want midcard titles to help fill out the cards.
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Post by Cronant on Aug 11, 2018 19:23:12 GMT -5
Wouldn't "Lazy PPV names" just mean keeping the same ones? They changed the names to pop buyrates and it worked for HIAC and TLC, which is why they survived and it didn't for Breaking Point and Fatal 4-Way.
Its not lazy moreso than its them realizing what was a bigger draw name wise, and that certain gimmick matches can sell PPVs, which is what they already knew with the Rumble. The only argument here just seems like nostalgia for the PPV names they dropped.
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Post by Cronant on Aug 11, 2018 17:50:17 GMT -5
Not really bothered, for the most part.
Hell in a Cell WAS basically a yearly thing, even before the PPV. HHH or Undertaker would have their yearly HIAC match in the summer/fall for whatever feud they had. And there's really no way to make an Elimination Chamber have a natural build. Same with MITB. I mean, it works for the Royal Rumble.
Its also made it much easier for them to expand these gimmick into Womens matches. If the men are already having EC and MITB matches yearly then its much more natural for it to be the "PPV theme" and also let the women have their own versions.
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Post by Cronant on Aug 10, 2018 12:15:22 GMT -5
Because people who look at it as business tend to be the smart ones. Like Brock.
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Post by Cronant on Aug 10, 2018 11:28:46 GMT -5
So much fun.
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Post by Cronant on Aug 7, 2018 16:38:13 GMT -5
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Post by Cronant on Aug 7, 2018 9:55:15 GMT -5
Lacey, Dream. Maybe Lars.
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