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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 1, 2009 18:46:21 GMT -5
I dont understand why he gets a push over someone like say, Charlie Haas.
If I absolutely have to watch a generic charisma deficient guy wrestle, I would rather watch someone who is at least a very good wrestler. Ted is merely average.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 1, 2009 16:43:23 GMT -5
The way you've presented your views makes me believe that no matter what TNA do you'll never be happy. You basically said WWE doing the same things would be exciting for you, but with TNA it just makes you disinterested, and there is no logical reason for that other than you disliking TNA. I may be wrong though. But in fairness I disagreed with pretty much every point you made up there, so we clearly have different tastes when it comes to pro wrasslin.  If I'd never been a fan I'd be inclined to agree, but I used to be a huge fan of TNA. I've just been so put off by their direction for the last few years, it's almost a case of 'once bitten, twice shy' because I've been so disappointed time and time again. I just dont see how you could be a fan of TNA back before they even got a show on Spike, but think it isn't good now. 2004 TNA was crap to me. I understand it is different strokes, etc. but when people say TNA is a cheap ripoff of WCW? It surely felt that way back in those days, which was why I barely watched it. I didn't really start caring about TNA until 2005, with Ravens title run and Samoa Joes debut. TNA now, to me, is probably the best its ever been. The roster is surely the best it has ever had. Most of the young guys are getting the focus and the older stars are working programs with them and putting them over. You may also be one of the only TNA fans I have seen complain about a LACK of Jeff Jarrett. If he ever got another title run or started hogging the main event again I would have sworn off TNA for awhile. I just never want to see the guy again, beyond a few special attraction matches every once in awhile. I mean, if you really think WWE is the best it has been in the past 15 years right now yet TNA isn't any good...I really have to question what exactly they do wrong compared to WWE, because I think WWE is TERRIBLE right now, with the whole guest host thing, the same old main events over and over, an obviously aged, slowed down Undertaker as a World Champion who has to be put into matches that protect him to avoid exposing just how run down he is... How is that good but nothing in TNA is? |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 1, 2009 14:48:20 GMT -5
People need to remember that he is still relatively young as well. Benoit didn't get a true main event run until he was what, 37? After being in the business on a national stage for ten years or so. Considering that, Shelton still has plenty of time for a breakout to happen.
Even if that never comes to pass, he still has had as good of a career as many legends before him. If he never becomes a main event guy or gets a true World Title run, he still has been a very successful wrestler in WWE. His tag partner hasn't achieved a tenth of what Shelton has.
I think people consider him less successful just because he had a few wins over HHH and a sudden push when he got drafted to RAW way back when, but look at someone like Gregory Helms. He beat the Rock and promptly went nowhere. I would consider him much more of a bust than Shelton but you rarely see anyone saying that about him.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 1, 2009 13:07:46 GMT -5
A very capable wrestler who has remained midcard and been able to put on consistently good matches for the past five years?
If he is a waste, so is Matt Hardy and plenty of other wrestlers in WWE since only like two guys have been upgraded from midcard to main event since 2005.
I will also say that there really is nothing separating him from a guy like Kofi Kingston. Tell me the difference? Especially at this point, Shelton is better on the mic but aside from his ECW stint he hasn't been given any angles or time to show it.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Nov 1, 2009 12:08:15 GMT -5
"OOOOWAAHHHH!"
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 31, 2009 16:17:22 GMT -5
If a hobbled Undertaker can be the WHC, I dont see why HBK cant get another run.
Maybe he doesn't want it or feels it should go to a younger guy, but WWE will not give any young guys the title beyond Cena or Orton. I say give HBK a run. It would be slightly fresh at least, compared to the other options.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 31, 2009 15:53:41 GMT -5
When he was a villian in the nWo his legdrop was portrayed as very weak. I remember a lot of guys kicking out of it at the time, and probably a lot of matches he just won by cheating although my memory is fuzzy with most of them, because he was putting on terrible matches at the time.
One very obvious answer would be the fingerpoke of doom.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 31, 2009 15:47:47 GMT -5
This is sorta like denying the cruiserweight division did not inspire Vince to create a Light Heavyweight division because Vince at some point beforehand had used wrestlers on his shows that weighed less than 230 pounds. I don't think anyone's suggesting Vince never used smaller guys. But he never managed to get an entire division of them over the way Bischoff did. And still hasn't. Nah, that is what I was saying. I may have worded it oddly. My point was that Vince transparently copied stuff that was getting over in WCW at the time. Such as the CW division. DX seemed a lot like the nWo at first too, until it eventually morphed into its own thing. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 31, 2009 4:37:46 GMT -5
I never really saw Monty as being a heel champion, he didn't have the mic skills to be able to hold himself up as champ and had to rely on Jarrett and Christian to help him. He is one of the best strength based wrestlers of the decade, but a upper midcarder is where I always thought he belonged I think heel or face he could have been THAT guy for TNA. He was starting to show it before the unfortunate end of his ECW run and, had he not been yo-yo'd and flipped so much, he would have been that guy. Brown would have left because of outside reasons either way. He left WWE in the middle of a push. IMO it is either Tomko or Aries, but both of those guys probably have themselves to blame for the way their runs turned out. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 31, 2009 4:27:34 GMT -5
This is sorta like denying the cruiserweight division did not inspire Vince to create a Light Heavyweight division because Vince at some point beforehand had used wrestlers on his shows that weighed less than 230 pounds.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 31, 2009 4:13:12 GMT -5
Hes been an asshole for the better part of three years. He just hasn't been a dick towards a face during that time.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 30, 2009 18:37:04 GMT -5
It will be interesting to see the rating when there is no competition from stuff like the series.
Good news though, and proves that Hogan helps pull interest into TNA.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 30, 2009 9:52:46 GMT -5
"Private parties". Is he gonna come and do balloon tricks? This just makes me think of Ghostbusters II. "Hey kids, its Riiiiiic Flair!" Kids: BOOOOOOOOO! BOOOOO!!! We wanted John Cena! Flair: WOOOO! IS EVERYONE READAAAAY! TO HAVE SOME FUN WITH THA NAITCHAAA BOYYYY! Kid: You know, my dad says you re full of crap. Flair: WHAT WAS THAT YA LITTLE PUNK! Kid: My dad says you re full of crap, and thats why you went through multiple divorces, lost all your money and refuse to retire. Flair: ...song. *Theme from 2001 plays as Flair struts around wooing while the kids chant for John Cena* |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 30, 2009 9:24:17 GMT -5
How about WWE focus on fixing all the problems they have first?
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 30, 2009 3:18:48 GMT -5
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 30, 2009 3:00:01 GMT -5
Haven't see alot of KENTA, but what have seen was awesome, so I hope he fully recovers and come backs even better. Also I just happen to go to a site were I get look at gifs and they had this one and I thought it was funny.  It said he was starting to use this as a finisher. Hey Orton, THAT is how you punt someone. I love KENTA. He is one of the guys that got me into watching puro. I really hope he can bounce back from this and keep being one of the best in the world. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 30, 2009 0:57:21 GMT -5
I agree with that. Bringing Hogan in for a match is way different than giving him a big creative control deal while building the entire show around him. Who said that is what is going to happen? Its pretty common knowledge that Hogans body is shot. He may be able to wrestle a few matches a year but nothing more. Right now it is looking as if he is going to be in a GM type role. The reason I said this is hypocritical is because if WWE brought Hogan in as RAW GM, it would be "ZOMG WHAT A MOMENT! ONE OF THE BIGGEST THINGS TO EVER HAPPEN IN WWE!!" TNA seems to be doing essentially the same thing, and its deemed a "huge mistake." The idea that Hogan is going to squash the TNA roster and monopolize the title when Steve Austin is probably in better condition than he is at this point is preposterous. I am usually on the other side of the coin in these Hogan arguments, because I dont like the guy. I didn't like him coming back and beating two active wrestlers, one a very young guy in Randy Orton who was an obvious future main eventer. Yet I find it interesting that Hogan signs with TNA and goes from being this revered guy that everyone defends because "he draws money" into this sudden evil megalomaniac who has somehow weaseled his way into essentially controlling a company he doesn't own and its "good riddance Hogan, WWE doesn't need ya!" Reminds me a lot of when Kurt Angle went to TNA. If Hogan somehow wins the TNA Title and goes on to wrestle a few matches a year squashing all the TNA originals then fine, WWE is right. I really dont see that happening though. This Hogan thing may not work out in the long run, but if it doesn't I think it would be more akin to Warrior vanishing from WCW after his short run because he didn't like the way he was being booked. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 30, 2009 0:37:03 GMT -5
You are trying to apply logic to WWE, a place where logic is manipulated the way the writers want it to go.
I mean, Lashley got drafted to RAW and thus had to relinquish his ECW title, but when Kane got drafted to RAW he stayed ECW champ until he lost to Henry.
There really is no set rule to this, its whatever the WWE writers want it to be. Show isn't gonna win anyway though so it doesn't matter.
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 30, 2009 0:27:48 GMT -5
This was also, if memory serves, Ricos first match after he turned on Billy and Chuck during the gay wedding thing on Smackdown. I thought the gay wedding happened in the fall. I remember this happening in May. Or have I got my dates completely wonked up? All I distinctly remember seeing this and wondering why nobody noticed Flair was grabbing the rope while getting pinned. I also remember a backstage segment where Flair laments losing to "a guy like Rico," but I think that may have been the following week. Man, my wrestling memory is hazy as hell. Nah, Flair hooked up with Triple H pretty soon after this. |
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Post by Bubble Lead on Oct 30, 2009 0:23:23 GMT -5
As long as they are focusing more on old school ECW and keeping away from retrospectives and matches on amazing title reigns such as Chavo, Kane, Mark Henry, and Matt Hardy, I am all for it.
Come to think of it, that stretch of the belt up until Swagger had to be the most boring, pointless grouping of title reigns I can remember.
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