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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 21, 2007 9:10:39 GMT -5
Is anyone else disgusted that TNA will bring that low life in? Not to say that WWE wouldnt do the same...but it always seems like an act of desperation whenever eitehr brand does something like this. I havnt seen him on TNA yet (not a big TNA fan), but is he a good guy to? That would make it even worst. Whats next...teaming Michael Vick with Rick Steiner? Yep. This has been posted.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 21, 2007 11:20:34 GMT -5
They should end a match during the commercial break once every few months. Like, during a Cody Rhodes match, have him win with a roll-up during the commercial...and coming back from commercial the embarrassed heel's beating him down with security pulling the heel off, and post-match choas.
If it's a major upset, missing the pin live might make it feel less special to the viewer...but breaking from the expected formula and status quo should make it feel even more surprising, special, and a bigger deal than normal. J.R., with all of his years in the business, could then put the moment over as something even he's rarely ever seen, thus making it even more special.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 18, 2007 10:31:45 GMT -5
Um, the indies aren't thriving anywhere compared to the territory days before Vince began killing them off one by one in 1984.
Back in the day, 8 or 9 territories were capable of drawing bigger houses than TNA or ROH. The only reason today's indies have perceived to have more "national exposure" is because of the Internet. But back in olden times, you could watch Championship Wrestling from Florida on TV in New Jersey, World Class (Texas) in Minnesota, Mid-South (Louisiana) in Maryland, and World Wide Wrestling (Carolinas) in Ohio. You can't turn on the TV and watch an hour of Chikara in Oregon every Saturday morning, though it would be a better world if you could. Vince McMahon ruined that world for everyone.
I don't think that the deaths of WCW and ECW can be construed as good things. WWE's product has suffered since the day that both closed shop.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 18, 2007 13:29:27 GMT -5
Are we counting DQ wins?
If not, Nick Bockwinkel, unless we're really counting that AWA Title Dusty-finish win as a Hogan win now.
Also, I think Hogan faced Backlund more than once during 1980-ish house shows, and never beat him during his initial WWF heel run. I don't think Hogan ever faced Backlund in 1984-85 when both were faces. I could be wrong.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 18, 2007 13:07:27 GMT -5
Did he ever beat Goldberg?
EDIT: Nevermind. I don't think they wrestled more than once one-on-one.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 12, 2007 22:25:21 GMT -5
When we were watching the ROH PPV, we were talking about how WWE would turn Sydal into a wrestling beach lifeguard.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 12, 2007 9:51:34 GMT -5
Even funnier is that HHH has 50 times less charisma than Hogan, never had a better "look", and is barely more entertaining in the ring (and, whether he's actually "more entertaining" in the ring is debatable to most).
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 13, 2007 8:00:07 GMT -5
I have yet to see a BILL with his name on it. I have yet to see any photo or video proof that he ever did. I am, NOT discrediting BJ Annis as a Wrestler though. I need more valid proof than "Former Professional Wrestler, BJ Annis". Was he full of ego and hot air or did he actually go toe to toe with somebody. This directly contradicts what I said before but ANYBODY can claim to be a former Pro Wrestler. I simply need more solid evidence in my eyes. I can hop on WikiPedia and 'hack' into Hogan's site and say he beat me for his first WWF belt...etc. I am not trying to flame here, I just want physical proof. This isn't a Bill, but it's a newspaper article... slam.canoe.ca/SlamWrestlingHarts/jul20_annis.htmlHere's a Bret Hart column which mentions that Ted's dad was a wrestler, and quit... www.brethart.com/column/sept13.asp
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 9, 2007 10:44:47 GMT -5
bigHeadinc wraps such a pretty bow around this thread that I'm embarrassed for adding another post...
The Rock is so far superior to a guy like Cena (in every conceivable way) that it's ridiculous. It's not even close. Rock's a better worker, better talker, funnier, cooler, more moves, and if you wanna go there look-wise...he's a bigger draw for the ladies.
Any fan in this era that wants to think Cena is close to The Rock is probably in their early-to-mid teens, and never really realized how awesome WWE once was.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 9, 2007 10:12:11 GMT -5
The Rock cut the most CONSISTENT entertaining promos in the history of the business, and he worked a match like a souped-up Scott Hall, from the fact that he stole Hall/Razor's punches/kicks, and most of his moves...which was perfect for the big-match WWF style.
The Rock was money. And I was a WCW fan/WWF hater as he rose to prominance. Guys like Hulk Hogan come around once every 10, 20, or 30 years. Vince was lucky enough to have two guys of that caliber at the same time (Rock/Austin).
The business may never be that lucky again...
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 10, 2007 6:22:20 GMT -5
I can see why this gimmick was tried in the Attitude Era...
The actual show "Leave it to Beaver" is VERY awesome to watch nowadays. On the show, the father was really clean-cut and All-American, but there was a clear underlying tone that he was a dark, abusive drunk, and everybody just accepted it because that stern portrayal of the Tough American Father Figure was so accepted back then...beating your kids was standard fare.
For example...there's a "Leave it To Beaver" where the Beav loses $0.25 at school, comes home, and his older brother says the line "Geez Beav!!! Dad's probably gonna MURDER you!!!!". The rest of that show is teased around Beav escaping his Dad screaming his ass off and/or choking him out...set to a creepy laughtrack.
The show doesn't work as a wrestling gimmick...but it works for some unintentional hilarity flipping through the channels. It's so inappropriate compared to nowadays. Back in '96, I think Russo and Ferrara sparked a j, watched Nick at Nite, laughed their asses off, and created a terrible wrestling storyline/character.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 9, 2007 12:25:58 GMT -5
I remember. It was pretty much the worst thing ever.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 9, 2007 10:05:49 GMT -5
I bought both guys as champs easily.
Especially Shawn. He was better than Bret in a drug-induced stupor.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 9, 2007 10:23:06 GMT -5
Jim Ross is the best wrestling announcer in the business. The only times that he's made to look weak is when he has to sell Jerry Lawler's dumbass jokes, or when Vince's writers feed him stupid pop culture lines into his headset that he has to say.
If Jim Ross and JBL announced a show together in the present day, it might be the best announce team ever in WWE.
BTW: JR is the best play-by-play man in wrestling of all-time. I can't stand some of his recent work, but grab some video between 1984-98, and nobody touches hi
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 9, 2007 11:49:07 GMT -5
If I had to guess, WWE are weaning him off of TV time, and will fire him five months from now. Three months after that, he'll be working indies, and be rumored to be talking with TNA.
He'll eventually sign with TNA in 2008, debut in a similar gimmick, and everyone will whine. He won't get over in TNA.
Then...Paul Heyman will start a pro wrestling company in 2009. Santino will be on the midcard. Santino still won't get over, because he'll be asked to imitate the 2007 WWE gimmick, and the fans won't care. The company's backers will pull out early (not the fault of his), the promotion will shut down.
October 2010: Santino will be working in sales somewhere in central Florida, happy and successful, and interviewed/"caught up with" on WWE.com.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 9, 2007 10:16:38 GMT -5
If Triple H wasn't married to Steph...after all of those injuries, he'd probably be in TNA by now, and everybody would be talking about how he's such a swollen, plodding, weak, easily injured, crappy worker that's stealing time from guys like Alex Shelley, while people complain that he's capitalizing on his name from five years ago.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 9, 2007 10:24:43 GMT -5
"4" references the number of wrestling moves he knows outside of punches, knees, and chinlocks.
That was in his blog the other day...
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 9, 2007 10:59:36 GMT -5
I heard doctors opened Lashley up and found five kidneys.
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 8, 2007 11:11:43 GMT -5
I've got no problem with a guy stealing wrestling moves...as long as he's good.
When Sabu was asked if he thought Hayabusa ripped him off...he said no, because in Japan, many young guys are taught to pick three workers they most want to emulate, and then pattern their style after them, then grow out and evolve from there. Hayabusa told him that he was one of the three he wanted to be like, and Sabu was honored.
The guy in my sig...Morishima clearly grew up a fan of foreigners Stan Hansen, Terry Gordy, and Dr. Death, and incorporated the best stuff from all three into his style (sick lariats, great brawling, backdrop driver...etc.)...which is awesome.
Basically, CM Punk just needs to pick two more guys to emulate and he's in the clear. And next time, it would help if he's actually younger than the guys he emulates. Isn't he three years older than KENTA?
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Post by "Nature Boy" Ric Moranis on Aug 7, 2007 22:50:57 GMT -5
That was wild, thanks. I wish Kennedy would act like that more often, he's so damn outrageous that he'd probably wind up the biggest babyface in the company within three weeks of cutting promos exactly like that as a heel. Toning him down seems like bad business to me.
And Puder looked like a walking license to print money doing that gimmick, especially if Heyman were still writing in WWE.
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