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Post by nerdinitupagain on Oct 19, 2011 23:08:46 GMT -5
I don't blame the guy for getting rid of WCW. They probably spent close to 100 million in operating it... and unless you were pulling huge ratings, what was the value? Plus, Law and Order reruns are much cheaper and probably are much higher in profit when it comes to selling advertising compared to WCW.
That being said... TW had some terrible managers who wanted their way or the high way which is eentually what killed that merger. I know so many people that worked there then... and know people much higher up there than I used to. Any one that came from the AOL side is still bitter about how badly TW excecutives screwed things up solely by not learning about their product.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Oct 4, 2011 20:13:52 GMT -5
Had the Pitbulls/Douglas angle happened 10 years earlier... there would have been a riot when he shook Gary Wolfe by the halo. And there was a near riot when he did it in 1994 in the "smarkiest" promotion.
He wasn't the greatest, but he took advantage of his time on top in ECW and made himself seem special. Like so many ex-ECW guys, the magic was half Heyman and half them.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Oct 2, 2011 23:46:49 GMT -5
If the ratings had stayed in WCW's favor... the WWF is out of business. It's that simple. WCW could survive years of losing money because of their backing. Vince did not have that luxury.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Sept 27, 2011 20:01:04 GMT -5
The hardest part of growing up is watching your heros tumble. Benoit is no different
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Aug 29, 2011 21:07:33 GMT -5
WCW. I still remember the first night I really fell in love with wrestling... Hogan comes down with a chair and cracks the Giant with it. I believe he was wrestling Macho. That night it clicked for me. After that watching things like Ric Flair always cheating to retain his title (specifically really rooting for the Booty Man to win the title on Saturday Night until woman raked his eyes and got Flair DQ'd). I cried when Hogan turned heel... I hated the nWo. I loved Sting. 97-98 there was still a glimmer of it could be real (but the WWF was fake in my mind. No doubts.) and I was the markiest of marks there ever marked.
People talk about the shades of grey of that era, but to me it was clear cut.. nWo were bad and WCW were good. Sting was right in his actions to be mad at WCW guys. By the time the Wolfpac formed... the curtain had been lifted a lot for me (Thank you AOL Wrestling Chat). However, I religiously had to be home at 7:57 to catch the start of Nitro because I couldn't miss a cruiserweight match. Dean Malenko somehow was my favorite wrestler, and his matches with the Ultimo Dragon, Rey Rey, and Jericho are still among my favorite. I remember watching the Battle Royal where he had the lucha gear on... and going crazy.
That period made me a wrestling fan. ECW made me appreciate wrestling a whole lot more and gave me a passion.
And really the WWF was just there for me. I enjoyed Austin vs. Hart, but I never liked HBK...I never really liked DX. Austin vs McMahon was entertaining, but there was always something so cartoony about the WWF even in the attitude era that always put me off. I can't ever put my finger on it 100%, but it never clicked like WCW did for me.
One man's opinion.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Aug 28, 2011 12:13:50 GMT -5
Far from the first celebrity to have a life story like this. A lot of people are talented actors, musicians, wrestlers, athletes, etc... but are terrible with life and money management. The trouble you get in with money is usually exponentially greater when you have more. The idea of if you're making millions a year now, it will be there forever because these people think they'll always be on top.
It's sad to hear stories like this, but welcome to America. We're in a society that runs off the abuse of credit.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Aug 14, 2011 21:54:45 GMT -5
HHH with his NWA roots probably wants to go the route of heel champion with a face chasing him. People care more about watching people they don't like fail, than they do watching people they do succeed.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Jul 25, 2011 22:55:30 GMT -5
So I'm guessing part of Punk's new contract was "I want to come out to Cult of Personality". That was insanely cool. I loved that song on the Summer of Punk but with the huge WWE production... it makes it that much more insanely awesome.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Jul 24, 2011 23:33:53 GMT -5
Okay, thank you both. Why would anyone say then that Bret only wrestles the same five moves per match? Because some people love to run down Bret Hart at every possible opportunity for some reason. If it's not that, he's bitter, never a draw, a sell out for burying the hatchet with the 'e and so on and so forth.[/quote Yep. Those people conveniently ignore the fact WWE's negligence killed Owen Hart, double crossed (possibly) him on the final day of his employment, a contract which Vince McMahon refused to honor because he offered it to keep Bret from a competitor who could actually pay him, and that a decade is a long time to harbor ill feelings towards anyone and most people find forgiveness much healthier than resentment. Never understood ignoring these things, but when people talk about Bret.. they often do.. or apparently these things never happened.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Jul 17, 2011 22:00:30 GMT -5
Wow. Just wow. It feels like ONS2 all over again... except no one believed Punk would win.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Jul 17, 2011 21:20:51 GMT -5
I'm not watching but from what everyone is typing... this is One Night Stand 2 on Cena's Vitamins... *regrets regrets regrets*
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Jul 17, 2011 20:09:46 GMT -5
I know I'm going to regret not ordering this for a long time.. the idea that random CM Punk chants are going on the whole time... it really shows just how hot this angle is. The last time I remember people being this excited about the WWE product was the ECW revival pre-bust.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Jul 13, 2011 21:07:52 GMT -5
WWFTest once told me to have sexual intercourse with my mother and that he was going to kick my ass and kill me. And yes, the WWFTest AOL names were legit back then. We took pride in Wrestling Chat on how quickly we could dispose of WWF screen names of those we didn't like. The name was verified and everything. Unlike Meanie's and Stevie's which we only knew because of an on air gesture to prove he was Stevie Richards we were talking to in our little WC clique on AOL Chat.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Jul 13, 2011 20:48:57 GMT -5
I'm sure he has arrangements for what to do when he's gone. For as much as we trash Vince... we're all going to miss him like hell when he's gone.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Jul 13, 2011 20:37:56 GMT -5
If they're going to copy WCW as much as possible.. might as well have one of the best parts.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Jul 6, 2011 22:14:56 GMT -5
The NFL doesn't ignore the fact OJ Simpson existed... they don't try to highlight him, but they don't ignore games he played in. They don't blur or beep his name out... that's the right way to handle it in my opinion
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Jul 5, 2011 22:59:40 GMT -5
While I maintain it was the greatest pro-wrestling angle of all time...
The argument "He should have dropped the title to Michaels" is absurd. Backlund should have dropped the title to Hogan, but he didn't. He choose who he did it to. He didn't even have creative control probably. The WWE had a pattern of allowing Champs to pick who they dropped the title to... and if Bret had reasonable creative control in his contract, reasonable would be IMO choosing whom he drops the belt to as a transitional champion to Michaels. Iron Sheik was not a great, deserving champ... nor would Ken Shamrock have been. Unreasonable would be the forfeiture storyline.. unreasonable would be to walk out with the WWF title.
Bret already gave Shawn the rub at WM12... Shawn was probably by that time the #1 guy, so whomever he beat for the title, doesn't hurt him.
Plus seriously... how many times are people going to gloss over Vince's inability to honor Bret's contract and make it seem like Bret was the bad guy for taking the deal?
Those are the holes I see in a lot of logic on this. Til the day I die... SS97 was not real to me. It was just the last great act of kayfabe.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Jul 5, 2011 22:46:50 GMT -5
There's two ways to solve this problem actually... throw more money at it.. or make changes in the product and lifestyle associated with it. More days off... more creative freedom... or just throw lots of money at it.
This is not the first time many talents have fled the WWE for other pastures. Johny Ace isn't terrible at his job, but in the time he's taken over the job from Jim Ross.... there has been a lot more leaving of big names, than there has been of developing new ones. Hell.. I'd even say guys like Cena, Orton and Batista were all hired under the watchful eye of JR... Punk was a Heyman guy (and probably hired by JR while he still had the job).
He's lost Angle, Brock, Punk, Batista, Jericho (to be fair, so did JR), RVD, Jeff Hardy (not his fault), and I'm sure there are more. Stars are not developed quickly enough to replace these guys..
I really hope Taker gets this job.. otherwise, pro-wrestling could be dead to me.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Jul 5, 2011 1:01:08 GMT -5
They have to make a stand for the sole sake of defending a trademark. If you let one indy fed get away with something, TNA or ROH can argue they let their trademark slip. It's the same concept as Apple defending App Store... and "Kleenex" defending their brand. Otherwise, you slip into the public domain. Google has been so adiment about defending the association of "Just google it" because they know it could slip if they don't.
WWE didn't defend Doink and it's now Public Domain no matter what they try to claim. It will not happen again. Vince learns from his mistakes. If a trademark will make him money. it will not be going the way of Rock N Roll's original drum beat (name escape me of the drummer who came up with it due to massive consumption).
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Jul 5, 2011 0:46:07 GMT -5
Here's the thought I have. Hunter is behind this all. This is his 316...All you Hulkamaniacs can stick it... moment. He was there when Punk outpopped everyone at SS... and he knows Punk is the guy that can make him a credible booker in the long run.
Now.. the "summer of Punk" will not be copied word for word. Let's acknowledge that now and get it out of the way. He'll win the title and "negotiate" an open deal that let's him do what he wants. This will be WWE's way of incorporating non-WWE talent into the fold. Let them bring NJPW, ROH, NOAH, etc. guys as legitimate contenders and then have their champ go over. Hunter is a NWA guy at heart. I really really believe and hope that he will do this. An acknowledgment that other promotions matter. Pay off the other promotions to do a to the limit loss to their champ to legitimize them... and build prestige to a champion.
Hunter is a very straightforward angle guy from his own feuds. You don't like me.. I don't like you. I hope this comes through on this... and gives a kick in the ass to an artform that I've been a big believer in since I saw the Giant nail Hogan with a chair on Nitro when I was a much younger person. I can suspend disbelief.. but I will not do so unless you give something I want to believe in.
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