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Post by nerdinitupagain on Jul 5, 2011 0:35:07 GMT -5
I'm sorry but I'll bring it up once again. There is no way Vince McMahon let's anything be a shoot in his company. At the very minimum... Bret and Vince knew what was going to happen that night. Everyone else may have been out of the loop. It's the last great act of kayfabe that would have eventually been resolved if not for Owen's death and Bret's stroke.
My entire opinion rests on the fact Vince, the control freak, would not have had a plan with this. I will take this opinion to my grave... ten years ago (14 actually) I was in on the "OMG! it has to be a shoot".. but after this many years, I give the benefit of the doubt to Vince McMahon.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Jul 3, 2011 0:09:57 GMT -5
File this under Little Things that Made Wrestling Feel a Little Less Scripted. I actually liked it when that happened. It happened at least once a month on Nitro.. usually during one of the first three matches when they went three hours. Now, with WWE, I'm almost positive commercials during matches equal momentum change for the heel so the face is in distress when they come back.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Jun 30, 2011 9:18:43 GMT -5
I've wondered for the last 10 years if Vince will ever pull the trigger completely on the Wrestling vs. Sports Entertainment angle he's teased in the past. The ECW revival could have been that, but he got cold feet instantly. It's an angle that's been brewing since the Invasion I feel... and I think he has a suspicion money is in it.. but either knows the writers can't handle it or never had the write person for the "wrestling" side of it. Van Dam would have been great IF he could talk. He had that "outsider" tag and was not a WWE raised guy. Heyman would have been a great leader, but they want to market this as a wrestler, not a managerial type role.
Punk is the first person that really can carry this tag the right way. He has the outsider tag, he has the mic skills, and embodies the anti-WWE spirit.
I also think Vince does this once every 5 or 6 years just to keep me from completely losing interest.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Jun 23, 2011 22:42:29 GMT -5
It's a ring announcer... unless your name is Michael Buffer or Howard Finkel... no one gives a crap who's doing the intro. Why waste a ton of money on something that has now been replaced by TV graphics?
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Jun 9, 2011 17:24:46 GMT -5
I'll always define it as the Raw where Bret attacked McMahon and said bullshit on the air. That was the night it all changed for me.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Jun 2, 2011 21:32:37 GMT -5
There's something about Angle that makes me think this will ended up in a shocking result. And not in a negative way... I actually have this odd feeling he'll make the team.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Jun 1, 2011 22:06:58 GMT -5
The saddest thing to me about Eddie's death was that instead of using it to elevate Chavo.. an actual relative of Eddie... they used it to elevate the already insanely over Rey Rey. I mean... replace Chavo in there fighting for his blood, not his friend like Rey.. it makes it seem a whole lot more real.
That was the thing that angered me most about it.
I'm sure Vickie and Chavo blessed the whole angle knowing Eddie. Vickie ended up becoming the best heel in the WWE. She has a job where she can support her family without having to just live on Eddie's career earnings. It probably was something that helped her cope with his death, understand it better.
I don't think I've ever been offended by a wrestling angle.. the closest I came was Sandman's kid turning on him for Raven, but I now find that to be a great story being much older.
But in a more broad sense of this question...
Vince promoting "larger than normal" characters, knowingly allowing steroids to go around the locker room, profiting insanely off the 80's, and then going to court and exposing pro-wrestling to save his ass. Implements "drug testing", boys get right back on juice & cocain, watches Davey&Eddie&Curt&Hawk&Benoit&more die, implements drug testing, conveniently won't test for HGH as it now does the same thing as steroids.
I don't like Vince. I think he's smart, a good businessman, and a great talent... but I feel like he's done more to harm pro-wrestling and people's lives who worked for him than he has done good. THAT being said, I think the last few years (and the Benoit murder-suicide) have changed him for the better, and he's doing a better job to help and protect the boys. Some of it forced, some of it not. No one told WWE to pay for rehab for every ex-wrestler... but they did. I think by the end of his life, I will like Vince, but for now... the fact that he still labels wrestlers as ICs will be the one thing that I ethically hate. If only anyone actually cared about wrestling enough to force an investigation into their employment status.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Jun 1, 2011 21:25:23 GMT -5
Nope. Not even morbid curiosity will get me this time. Fool me once shame on you. Fool me twice and AHGGHHHHH MY EYES I CAN'T UNSEE IT
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Post by nerdinitupagain on Jun 1, 2011 20:07:04 GMT -5
To those saying she did this to defraud her employer... please PM me. I'd like to give you my friend's number. He just started his own psychiatric practice. You should talk with him about your mother or the girl that made fun of you in high school. You obviously have issues with women that lead to a higher level of mistrust than normal.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on May 27, 2011 12:13:34 GMT -5
You'd almost think Vince forgets that most of Hogan's title run was feuding with the Heenan family... and Bobby Heenan throwing opponent after opponent to try and end Hulkamania.
It prolongs feuds. I honestly believe that trying to explain to Vince how booking John Cena in a Heenan family style feud would be the equivalent as Lisa explaining to Homer about Sideshow Bob's intentions to kill Selma... then going to Marge and her getting it right away. It's a shame there is no Marge on creative.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on May 27, 2011 9:11:06 GMT -5
That was quite possibly the funniest thing I've seen in a long time.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on May 27, 2011 0:11:20 GMT -5
Here's the thing. If ROH starts to produce legit guys, they'll have to pay them to stay. HHH & Taker are smart enough to know where to take talent from. If ROH wants to grow they have to realize the brand only goes so far, but it's the characters people fall in love with on TV. Not just wrestling, but TV. The Office is dead in the water... people want to see Michael Scott. Spin City is one of very few shows that successfully transitioned main characters, but that was with someone on par with the same one.
ROH has lost so many talents to bigger contracts who are probably unhappy where they are currently. It's not unlikely that we'll see Joe, Lethal, Punk, and more back in ROH in the next two years. If ECW taught us anything, it's that guys that consider them creative & artists will sacrifice money to produce their craft the way they want.
I can't watch TNA or WWE anymore, but I'd love to see WWE with a fire lit under them again where they have to push more than just Cena and Orton. If only to prevent jumping to another promotion to make them happy.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on May 26, 2011 23:59:08 GMT -5
An awesome idea. Really it is. Cross promotional work in markets where both aren't strong, however, WWE doesn't know how to book a feud where both sides come out strong. Especially the heels. Any invaders become heels instantly.
ROH might work for this, maybe even Impact Wrestling... but WWE never. They're very self contained and will not deviate from a working formula until something challenges them to do so.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on May 22, 2011 2:12:22 GMT -5
Honestly... talking to non-wrestling fans of my age (25)... more people remember Bret Hart. This is due solely to video games and because the Sharp Shooter was a favorite way of guys to win in video games.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on May 20, 2011 17:41:38 GMT -5
Damn. Mach was my favorite growing up.. always.
That being said... 58 is still a pretty long life and he found love again before death. I will definitely be taking a shot in his honor this evening.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on May 18, 2011 23:18:36 GMT -5
If you expect to keep getting a quality product for free, this is what will happen. Just being conservative and saying insurance for pro-wrestlers would cost 1k a month with 50 active wrestlers that's 1.2 million a year. You know how hard that would be to recoup off PPV revenue alone....
12 PPVs 100k average (which I'm pretty sire below) of buys.
1,200,000 / 100,000 = 12 12 / 12 = 1 WWE could just raise PPV prices 1 stinking dollar to justify the costs to pay for medical insurance. Worst case, it's 2k / month per wrestler.. and that's two bucks.
If they advertised the rate increase for that reason, I cannot imagine a single person who likes wrestling saying it's not worth it. I know I can hardly pay attention anymore after a large amount of deaths of child hood heroes...
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Post by nerdinitupagain on May 18, 2011 9:33:02 GMT -5
Its your current Turkish Prime Minister. Attaturk would not be happy.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on May 16, 2011 22:11:15 GMT -5
Guess WWE needs someone else to start working Tuesdays.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on May 14, 2011 5:50:43 GMT -5
Look for the Edge/Flair Ladder Match for the title.
That was the pinnacle of Joey Style on Raw.
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Post by nerdinitupagain on May 11, 2011 23:44:44 GMT -5
TV timing. Promo's. WWE Style. Getting guys used to new gimmicks.
Completely necessary if you're running a huge TV product.
Plus, it gives them a chance to see your work ethic and how you behave outside of the ring before they invest TV time and money into you.
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